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"Real" Music]------------------------------------------[Catspaw]-- For those of you who never get off #trax, there does exist a world outside of our happy little demoscene... and it is a world largely ignorant of concepts that we take for granted. On a local computer bulletin board, there is a section in the public registry where each of us can list things about ourselves, and one of those fields is "Instrument Played". Personal information, to get to know people. So, in the interests of furthering global understanding, I put in that field "Impulse Tracker". I got some really interesting responses. A discussion started up at one point, where I had about half a dozen people asking me what that meant. After I'd explained the basic concept of tracked music in module-derived formats, one rather enlightened fellow took it upon himself as the godsent of creation to explain to me why what I did was not truly "real" music. Excuse me? Rewind that. Yes, you heard me correctly. Tracked music, according to your friend and mine, is not "really" music. Trackers aren't "really" musicians. At best, we're substandard composers who are falling back on technology for lack of talent. Really. The argument went something like this. (I'm editing this for the sake of brevity, and removing a lot of unrelated spam from other people.) I've also changed the name of the skeptic in order to protect him from an even more public lynching. :> Catspaw: Uhh... pardon? "Real" music? By what definition? Skeptic: Well, you don't play an instrument. your not really performing this music, your just typing this in on your puter. CP: And your point is? The tracking program is an instrument like any other. I define an instrument as a tool which you use to create music, to put into sound what you've got in your head. By your definition, anyone who programs or sequences music in a synth or studio isn't producing "real" music either. You've just eliminated Kitaro, Vangelis, or for that matter any given techno or industrial group in the world. SK: well vangelis is a composer though .. the difference is that they can all play instruments. You've said that you can't. If you didn't have your computer you wouldn't be able to make anything. CP: What the hell does any of that have to do with whether or not what I'm making is music? You've got a really limited view on what an "instrument" is. CP: And of course I wouldn't be able to make anything without my computer. Try taking away a guitar or piano from someone who can only play that instrument, and see how effective they are at playing music. SK: no cause an instrument is something like a guitar or drums, or a trumpet .. you don't need a computer or anything to play those. I've heard music on the puter and it doesn't sound real. SK: they can still write down the notes and play them later when they do have that instrument... you couldn't make music without the samples of those instruments. CP: Horsesh--. An instrument is *anything* that you use to make music. This could be a pair of branches beating on a log, or a Korg, or a set of Scottish bagpipes. By your logic, any given synth keyboard isn't an instrument either--they're computers too. CP: Who said a tracker couldn't write down the notes for later? Frequently we *have* to, because we don't all live in front of our computers. SK: well a keyboard is just like a piano .. and like I said, you couldn't make any music without sampling a real instrument .. CP: Most tracking programs have the computer keyboard set up to simulate a piano keyboard. Next stupid analogy, please? CP: Look, I'm sick of this. I couldn't make music without sampling other instruments? Ever look in the sample credits section of a tracked song? Go look inside an album cover of any commercial band; most of them list off the companies who made their instruments. It's the same thing, get it? You think those bands could've made their music without the company or person who made their instrument? Pull your head out. SK: no no no .. its not the same. it takes years of training and a lot of talent to learn to play an instrument .. computer music doesn't take any of that talent. CP: Oh the hell it doesn't. You have no clue that the hell you're spewing about. Look, here's the acid test, my friend. Let's meet for coffee. I'll bring you a cassette tape on which I've recorded a bunch of obscure commercial songs, and a handful of tracked songs. You tell me which ones are tracked, and I might listen a little longer. CP: That's what I thought. My conclusion: What the hell? Music is not something you can definitively put a finger on and declare that a thing is not. It doesn't matter whether you use a trombone, FT2, ST3, IT, or for that matter if you play Vivaldi on water glasses with a kitchen spoon. If there's somebody out there who enjoys listening to it, be it you or the world at large, then guess what: it's music, by the only definition that matters--yours. And I have yet to see a flute with New Note Actions or pan positions. :> Catspaw / Rat catspaw@eskimo.com TraxWeekly is available via FTP from: ftp.cdrom.com /demos/incoming/news (new issues) ftp.cdrom.com /demos/info/traxw/ (back issues) To subscribe, send mail to: listserver@unseen.aztec.co.za and put in the message body: subscribe trax-weekly [name] (NOT address) To unsubscribe, mail same and: unsubscribe trax-weekly (in message body) --------------------------------------------------------------------------